So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family.
It was December so there was snow.
Had an awesome dinner with my family who I haven't seen in 15 years.
I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
my ass off.
The digital thermostat red three dashes instead of a normal temperature
setting and reading.
Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.
Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming?
Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat?

On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:20:52 -0400, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com
wrote:

So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family.
It was December so there was snow.
Had an awesome dinner with my family who I haven't seen in 15 years.
I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
my ass off.
The digital thermostat red three dashes instead of a normal temperature
setting and reading.
Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.
Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming?
Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat?

So what did your relatives say when you asked them the question?

Martin wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:20:52 -0400, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com
wrote:

So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family.
It was December so there was snow.
Had an awesome dinner with my family who I haven't seen in 15 years.
I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
my ass off.
The digital thermostat red three dashes instead of a normal temperature
setting and reading.
Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.
Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming?
Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat?

So what did your relatives say when you asked them the question?

I didn't ask them.

Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Justin wrote:

Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.

Italy is divided in "climatic zones", and the law regulates the
maximum number of hours heating can stay on, and the period of the year
heating can be used. In case of exceptional cold outside such period,
the mayor can give permission to keep the heating on.

For instance this site (in italian) gives some general information
http://www.eurometeo.com/italian/read/doc_zone-climatiche

There are 6 zones, most of the north (like Milan) is in zone E. Mountain
places are in zone F (virtually unlimited heating). Zone A includes just
some places in the southernmost part of Sicily and some islands. It is
true that supposedly "warm" places (for instance the Ligurian Riviera is
zone C) can be sometimes colder inside than a nominally colder area (say
zone E) because the heating stays one for a short time even if it is
cold outside.

This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town
http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp

What's the rationale for those laws, to save fuel?

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Justin wrote:

Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.

Italy is divided in "climatic zones", and the law regulates the maximum
number of hours heating can stay on, and the period of the year heating
can be used. In case of exceptional cold outside such period, the mayor
can give permission to keep the heating on.

For instance this site (in italian) gives some general information
http://www.eurometeo.com/italian/read/doc_zone-climatiche

There are 6 zones, most of the north (like Milan) is in zone E. Mountain
places are in zone F (virtually unlimited heating). Zone A includes just
some places in the southernmost part of Sicily and some islands. It is
true that supposedly "warm" places (for instance the Ligurian Riviera is
zone C) can be sometimes colder inside than a nominally colder area (say
zone E) because the heating stays one for a short time even if it is
cold outside.

This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town
http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp

On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:30:58 -0400, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com
wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:20:52 -0400, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com
wrote:

So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family.
It was December so there was snow.
Had an awesome dinner with my family who I haven't seen in 15 years.
I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
my ass off.
The digital thermostat red three dashes instead of a normal temperature
setting and reading.
Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.
Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming?
Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat?
So what did your relatives say when you asked them the question?
I didn't ask them.

So why ask us?

Even if I have to wear a parka at night during the winter I wouldn't
mind living there! The Summers would be worth it.

I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
my ass off.

On 2009-07-03, Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

Where have I seen that name before ... oh yes:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.europe/msg/54499903b05ec995

I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
my ass off.

I froze my ass off in Arizona in March last year. The lodge we were staying
at was built without any kind of insulation, the heating was supplied by
some stupid ceiling based forced-air system, that we had to turn off to be
able to sleep, and they only supplied some thin sheets for coverage.

On 2009-07-03, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

Where have I seen that name before ... oh yes:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.europe/msg/54499903b05ec995

I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
my ass off.

I froze my ass off in Arizona in March last year. The lodge we were staying
at was built without any kind of insulation, the heating was supplied by
some stupid ceiling based forced-air system, that we had to turn off to be
able to sleep, and they only supplied some thin sheets for coverage.

In article
alpine.LSU.2.00.0907031048550.21506@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>,
Giovanni Drogo <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Justin wrote:

Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.

Italy is divided in "climatic zones", and the law regulates the
maximum number of hours heating can stay on, and the period of the
year heating can be used. In case of exceptional cold outside such
period, the mayor can give permission to keep the heating on.

For instance this site (in italian) gives some general information
http://www.eurometeo.com/italian/read/doc_zone-climatiche

There are 6 zones, most of the north (like Milan) is in zone E.
Mountain places are in zone F (virtually unlimited heating). Zone A
includes just some places in the southernmost part of Sicily and
some islands. It is true that supposedly "warm" places (for instance
the Ligurian Riviera is zone C) can be sometimes colder inside than
a nominally colder area (say zone E) because the heating stays one
for a short time even if it is cold outside.

This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town
http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp

What's the rationale for those laws, to save fuel?

So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my
family. It was December so there was snow.
Had an awesome dinner with my family who I haven't seen in 15 years.
I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night -
freezing my ass off.
The digital thermostat red three dashes instead of a normal
temperature setting and reading.
Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.
Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming?
Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat?

If you think Italian heating is terrible try Italian air conditioning...

As U.S. air conditioning you mean those old boxes under windows, roaring
like farm engines, with as only setup possible the switch 'HI-LO-OFF',
needing a nuclear power plant in the rear of your home to keep them
switched on?
If so, Italian air conditioning, is really different...

P.S. I have'nt yet understood why in US, inside buildings, you need to
wear sweaters in the summer and t-shirts in winter...

Ciao, Piero.

We were in Italy two years ago and there were many establishments that
we were sweating in even though they were supposedly air conditioned.

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:55:24 +0200, Piero

pippopappoNOS...@NOSPAMtedeschi.it> wrote:
As U.S. air conditioning you mean those old boxes under windows, roaring
like farm engines, with as only setup possible the switch 'HI-LO-OFF',
needing a nuclear power plant in the rear of your home to keep them
switched on?
If so, Italian air conditioning, is really different...

P.S. I have'nt yet understood why in US, inside buildings, you need to
wear sweaters in the summer and t-shirts in winter...

Ciao, Piero.

We were in Italy two years ago and there were many establishments that
we were sweating in even though they were supposedly air conditioned.

Did you take your sweater off?

B;