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| Berf |
 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:44 am |
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~misfit~ wrote
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Black helicopters mate, black helicopters.
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I get a kick out of watching British police dramas, including the latest Law &
Order UK stuff. I've been a fan of that stuff for years.
In the American, or Canadian police dramas, they rarely utilize CCTV as a
source of information because there just isn't enough.
However, in Britain, it's always "we have 'im on the CCTV doing this, then on
the other CCTV doing that"
The fact is, there is an incredible amount of CCTV in the UK when it comes to
cities.
It's great that Google ran into a problem in a town somewhere in the UK where
they barred them from entering. All because of the Google Streets crap and
the townspeople objected.
Canada's "arms length" Privacy Commissioner was against Google Streets, but it
appears that Google won and they'll be doing it here as well.
In Toronto? When it comes to CCTV? They're portables that are set up in
areas of trouble, with appropriate signage, and not just everywhere and
anonymously.
Cities in the UK give me the impression that CCTV is everywhere.
That's right out of Orwell's 1984. |
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| APLer |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:46 am |
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bugalugs <bugalugs67@netscape.net> wrote in news:h3quj6$rd3$2@aioe.org:
Quote: Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
As it is we cant spend $10,000 without the government getting a
specific notice of it. Cant even move funds amongst various accounts
over $10,000 without full disclosure.
Eh ???
US banking regulations. Exactly correct. They *have* to inform the
Treasury Dept (I *think* although maybe the FBI) whenever it happens. Put
in by scrub. One of his removal of rights that would actually *do*
something. Once you sort through *all* the transactions that is. |
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| Matthew Malthouse |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:41 pm |
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:44:16 -0400, Berf <berf1@live.ca> wrote:
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I get a kick out of watching British police dramas, including the latest Law &
Order UK stuff. I've been a fan of that stuff for years.
....[snip]...
Cities in the UK give me the impression that CCTV is everywhere.
There are a huge number although exactly how many is a matter of
dispute.
There's also controversy over their effectiveness in the prevention,
detection and prosecution of crime.
<http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-big-question-are-cctv-cameras-a-waste-of-money-in-the-fight-against-crime-822079.html>
One of the "problems" in counting is the proliferation of different
systems for differing purposes. Road speed violations, junction and
red light violations, general traffic condition and management, in
London Congestion Charge (entry toll) monitors, local government
street crime monitors, private security cameras both internal
(watching the employees) and external looking for unauthorised access.
Proponents of surveillance would argue that all these should be joined
up. That they haven't been is perhaps the only saving grace in the
situation.
When my car was broken into the crime officer dealing with the case
urged me to ask around the neighbours who might have suffered
similarly and lobby the local authority to install cameras on our
street.
That really irritated me. I have no confidence that cameras would
have prevented the crime. Even if it would have I am far from sure
I'd want my street monitored. Worst of all I do not believe that it's
the place of the police to try and bully the public into accepting or
even demanding further surveillance.
Matthew
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Mail to this account goes to the bit bucket.
In the unlikely event you want to mail me replace usenet with my name |
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| blake murphy |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:00 pm |
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:44:16 -0400, Berf wrote:
Quote: ~misfit~ wrote
Black helicopters mate, black helicopters.
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I get a kick out of watching British police dramas, including the latest Law &
Order UK stuff. I've been a fan of that stuff for years.
In the American, or Canadian police dramas, they rarely utilize CCTV as a
source of information because there just isn't enough.
However, in Britain, it's always "we have 'im on the CCTV doing this, then on
the other CCTV doing that"
The fact is, there is an incredible amount of CCTV in the UK when it comes to
cities.
maybe so, but the u.s. 'law and order' has plenty of phone logs, too booth
records, and security camera tapes.
of course, usually the security cameras or turned off, or the wily perp has
a hat on. otherwise, the episode would last about ten minutes.
your pal,
blake |
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| Berf |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:00 pm |
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blake murphy wrote
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:44:16 -0400, Berf wrote:
~misfit~ wrote
Black helicopters mate, black helicopters.
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I get a kick out of watching British police dramas, including the latest Law &
Order UK stuff. I've been a fan of that stuff for years.
In the American, or Canadian police dramas, they rarely utilize CCTV as a
source of information because there just isn't enough.
However, in Britain, it's always "we have 'im on the CCTV doing this, then on
the other CCTV doing that"
The fact is, there is an incredible amount of CCTV in the UK when it comes to
cities.
maybe so, but the u.s. 'law and order' has plenty of phone logs, too booth
records, and security camera tapes.
of course, usually the security cameras or turned off, or the wily perp has
a hat on. otherwise, the episode would last about ten minutes.
your pal,
blake
www.privacy.org has a good map of privacy.
http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-559597
The "black" is endemic surveillance societies (The USA, Russia and China)
The "yellow" are some safeguards but weakend protections. Canada and France,
along with Argentina, believe it or not!
Red is Extensive surveillance societies. The UK, Brazil, Australia, Norway
and Finland.
It's an interesting map. |
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| Berf |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:02 pm |
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Berf wrote
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blake murphy wrote
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:44:16 -0400, Berf wrote:
~misfit~ wrote
Black helicopters mate, black helicopters.
--
I get a kick out of watching British police dramas, including the latest Law &
Order UK stuff. I've been a fan of that stuff for years.
In the American, or Canadian police dramas, they rarely utilize CCTV as a
source of information because there just isn't enough.
However, in Britain, it's always "we have 'im on the CCTV doing this, then on
the other CCTV doing that"
The fact is, there is an incredible amount of CCTV in the UK when it comes to
cities.
maybe so, but the u.s. 'law and order' has plenty of phone logs, too booth
records, and security camera tapes.
of course, usually the security cameras or turned off, or the wily perp has
a hat on. otherwise, the episode would last about ten minutes.
your pal,
blake
www.privacy.org has a good map of privacy.
http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-559597
The "black" is endemic surveillance societies (The USA, Russia and China)
The "yellow" are some safeguards but weakend protections. Canada and France,
along with Argentina, believe it or not!
Red is Extensive surveillance societies. The UK, Brazil, Australia, Norway
and Finland.
It's an interesting map.
I apologize. Red is "Systematic Failure to uphold safeguards"
The UK, Brazil, Australia, Norway and Finland. |
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