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| Dave Smith |
 Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:22 am |
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erilar wrote:
Quote: In article <4a5e9f60$0$19674$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Stephen Ellenson wrote:
Many Canadians will say "out" like "oat" and "about" like "aboat", many
Americans will sound more like "owt" and "abowt". But these vary widely by
region. I just know I've never heard a yank say "aboat".
That is interesting, because I have lived in Canada all my life and have
never heard about pronounced aboot or aboat except as an American
stereotype.
What part of Canada? I suspect it's a regional pronunciation.
I am in the Niagara peninsula, but I have travelled across the country.
I have never heard it. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:49 am |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:22:07 -0400, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>
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Quote: I am in the Niagara peninsula, but I have travelled across the country.
I have never heard it.
Our friends from Sarnia and London, Ontario, definitely say "aboot". Maybe you
just don't notice it any more?
-- Larry |
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| John Kane |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:00 pm |
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On Jul 16, 10:22 pm, Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Quote: erilar wrote:
In article <4a5e9f60$0$19674$9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com>,
Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Stephen Ellenson wrote:
Many Canadians will say "out" like "oat" and "about" like "aboat", many
Americans will sound more like "owt" and "abowt". But these vary widely by
region. I just know I've never heard a yank say "aboat".
That is interesting, because I have lived in Canada all my life and have
never heard about pronounced aboot or aboat except as an American
stereotype.
What part of Canada? I suspect it's a regional pronunciation.
I am in the Niagara peninsula, but I have travelled across the country.
I have never heard it.
It isn't but to an American ear that is what is sounds like. There is
a fairly distinctive Canadian pronounciation of "about".
"To American ears, the Canadian pronunciation of about often sounds
like aboot, but this is only an illusion. Because the more familiar
pronunciation of /aw/ is articulated with the tongue in a low
position, and because it raises to a mid position in Canadian English
when the vowel precedes the voiceless obstruents listed above,
speakers of other varieties of English will immediately detect the
vowel raising, but will sometimes think that the vowel has raised
farther than it actually does, all the way to /u/, which is a high
vowel--hence the mishearing (and not-quite-right imitation) of this
pronunciation as aboot."
http://www.yorku.ca/twainweb/troberts/raising.html
There are some interesting recordings at that site as well. However I
think the recording of the "native Torontonian's" pronunication of
Toronto is wrong. It sounds much more like an Ontario (outside of
Toronto) pronunciation.
John Kane Kingston ON Canada |
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| Martin |
| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:04 pm |
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:53:49 -0500, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
Quote: In article <4a5a2723$0$3405$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
John Kane wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:20 pm, d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
It's from a travel booking website, so it's obviously completely
accurate, but... mon Dieu!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8143780.stm?lsf
I've heard some negative comments about French bus tours and buffets
here . Quite a difference from the politiness I find in France or
when I toured in Egypt with a French touring party.
I have have been to France three times and had one rude waiter, a middle
aged man in a menial job. Other than that one incident I found the
people to be very friendly.
You have been more fortunate than I have.
I came to the conclusion long ago that either you are over sensitive or have a
personal problem with the whole French nation.
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Martin |
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