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| Alfred Molon |
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:58 pm |
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Some interesting news about AirAsia:
1. They are punctual.
2. They assign a seat to you.
I took several flights in June with them and most of the time the plane
would take off a few minutes ahead of schedule (Surabaya-Johor Bharu
even left 10 minutes early). Only one flight out of the eight I took in
June was delayed (about half an hour).
However, since Malaysian Airlines has reduced their fares, AirAsia is
now on average only 10%-20% cheaper than Malaysian. It is even possible
to spend less with Malaysian Airlines if you book a bit early.
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| Magnus |
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:29 pm |
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:58:58 +0200, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Some interesting news about AirAsia:
1. They are punctual.
2. They assign a seat to you.
I took several flights in June with them and most of the time the plane
would take off a few minutes ahead of schedule (Surabaya-Johor Bharu
even left 10 minutes early). Only one flight out of the eight I took in
June was delayed (about half an hour).
However, since Malaysian Airlines has reduced their fares, AirAsia is
now on average only 10%-20% cheaper than Malaysian. It is even possible
to spend less with Malaysian Airlines if you book a bit early.
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Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe
I have read mixed opinions about this airline.
Many people complain about frequent delays and sometimes, even flight
cancellation. When the plane is not full enough, you have to wait for
the next plane!
However the problems seem to affect mostly Thai Airasia (flight FD)
and not Malay Airasia (flight AK).
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| Alfred Molon |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:00 am |
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In article <4a62208c.21134906@news.free.fr>, Magnus says...
Quote: I have read mixed opinions about this airline.
Many people complain about frequent delays and sometimes,
That is a thing of the past. Of the eight flights I took in June, one
was delayed, the other seven left and arrived early.
Quote: even flight
cancellation. When the plane is not full enough, you have to wait for
the next plane!
Never heard anything like that.
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| Sharkbait |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:43 am |
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Alfred Molon wrote in message
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Quote: However, since Malaysian Airlines has reduced their fares, AirAsia is
now on average only 10%-20% cheaper than Malaysian. It is even possible
to spend less with Malaysian Airlines if you book a bit early.
My wife and I are traveling from PEN to REP through KUL one-way for the
paltry sum of $205 US (two passengers economy class) on December 8th. The
taxes amounted to more than the fare. No complaints here.
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| Markku Grönroos |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:19 am |
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"Alfred Molon" <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
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Quote: In article <4a62208c.21134906@news.free.fr>, Magnus says...
I have read mixed opinions about this airline.
Many people complain about frequent delays and sometimes,
That is a thing of the past. Of the eight flights I took in June, one
was delayed, the other seven left and arrived early.
even flight
cancellation. When the plane is not full enough, you have to wait for
the next plane!
Never heard anything like that.
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Because it is obviously nonsense. The opposite has been quite common.
Nowadays overbooking is sanctioned (at least in the EU region) and this most
vicious practice has become less frequent. In the past Finnair boasted about
punctuality. Wel,. the company doesn't do so anymore and for a very good
reason. For instance big European point to point airlines have been doing
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| Markku Grönroos |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:24 am |
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"Magnus" <Jack@Vance.com> kirjoitti
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Quote: On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:58:58 +0200, Alfred Molon
I have read mixed opinions about this airline.
There are mixed opinions on any object imaginable. For instance there isn't
a hotel anywhere which wouldn't be rated as the black hole of Calcutta by
someone and praised as a wonderful establishment in some other review. |
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| Chris Blunt |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:59 pm |
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:19:11 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
<kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:
Quote:
"Alfred Molon" <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
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In article <4a62208c.21134906@news.free.fr>, Magnus says...
I have read mixed opinions about this airline.
Many people complain about frequent delays and sometimes,
That is a thing of the past. Of the eight flights I took in June, one
was delayed, the other seven left and arrived early.
even flight
cancellation. When the plane is not full enough, you have to wait for
the next plane!
Never heard anything like that.
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Because it is obviously nonsense. The opposite has been quite common.
Nowadays overbooking is sanctioned (at least in the EU region) and this most
vicious practice has become less frequent.
I'm not sure which of the above posters you think is talking nonsense,
but I think they are both right to a certain extent. I've flown many
times with Air Asia and most of the flights have been on time and
great value for the money. However, I've also had them cancel a flight
and rebook me on the next one, presumably because they found they
could accommodate passengers from both flights on a single aircraft.
I found that kind of annoying because it would have resulted in
missing a connecting flight. If they had booked me on an earlier
flight it would have made more sense.
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| Alfred Molon |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:19 pm |
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In article <mnn565phr18gukuqn1gp106blpko6ubkcs@4ax.com>, Chris Blunt
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Quote: I've also had them cancel a flight
and rebook me on the next one
That has not yet happened to me and I've been flying with them for
years. The worst that happened was a delay of 2-3 hours (can't remember
exactly) many years ago, but delays seem a thing of the past now.
As for the excellent value, they are now only a bit cheaper than
Malaysian Airlines.
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Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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| A Mate |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:20 pm |
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ALL airlines, without exception are out to fly at a profit! EACH and EVERY
one may cancel flights that will not operate profitably.
Forget the loyalty bullshit - recognise the harsh commercial realities of
the world these days!!
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Quote: Alfred Molon wrote in message
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However, since Malaysian Airlines has reduced their fares, AirAsia is
now on average only 10%-20% cheaper than Malaysian. It is even possible
to spend less with Malaysian Airlines if you book a bit early.
My wife and I are traveling from PEN to REP through KUL one-way for the
paltry sum of $205 US (two passengers economy class) on December 8th. The
taxes amounted to more than the fare. No complaints here.
rg
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| Chris Blunt |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:01 pm |
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:10:38 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
<kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:
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"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> kirjoitti
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:19:11 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
I'm not sure which of the above posters you think is talking nonsense,
but I think they are both right to a certain extent. I've flown many
times with Air Asia and most of the flights have been on time and
great value for the money. However, I've also had them cancel a flight
and rebook me on the next one, presumably because they found they
could accommodate passengers from both flights on a single aircraft.
They did not pronounce the reason for cancellation? Airlines hardly (must
not?) cancel flights at so short a notice for such a reason.
No. They just sent me a SMS text message the day before departure
informing me that my flight had been changed. In fact I still have
that message in my archive as follows:
"URGENT!! FD 3028 from Phuket to Bangkok on 29 May07 CANCELLED. Move
to FD 3026 dept. time 11.05pm(23.05Hrs) For more info pls contact
662-515-9999. Thank you"
If they want to cancel a flight, then that's what they're going to do.
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| Markku Grönroos |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:01 pm |
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"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> kirjoitti
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Quote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:19:11 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
I'm not sure which of the above posters you think is talking nonsense,
but I think they are both right to a certain extent. I've flown many
times with Air Asia and most of the flights have been on time and
great value for the money. However, I've also had them cancel a flight
and rebook me on the next one, presumably because they found they
could accommodate passengers from both flights on a single aircraft.
They did not pronounce the reason for cancellation? Airlines hardly (must
not?) cancel flights at so short a notice for such a reason. Naturally
airlines do adjust their schedules time to time and in a case they reduce
the number of flights this is nothing but cancelling them. For instance
Finnair (and many other companies) did so in summer 2003 on flights to and
from Asia due to this "bird flu" hysteria. When I flew from Helsinki to
Bangkok in early May 2003 the Finnair MD-11 hosted about 30 passengers (most
of whom were these Thai hooke.... I mean wives) onboard in a plane which can
take nearly 300 passengers. Sometime in June the number of flights was
diminished to three per week. |
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| Chris Blunt |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:01 pm |
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:19:22 +0200, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <mnn565phr18gukuqn1gp106blpko6ubkcs@4ax.com>, Chris Blunt
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I've also had them cancel a flight
and rebook me on the next one
That has not yet happened to me and I've been flying with them for
years. The worst that happened was a delay of 2-3 hours (can't remember
exactly) many years ago, but delays seem a thing of the past now.
Delays can happen for all kinds of reasons. Weather, congestion at
airports, aircraft technical problems etc. All airlines are affected
by those factors and always have been. Low-cost airlines like Air Asia
are affected most of all because they have tighter turnaround times at
airports to keep their aircraft in the air for a higher proportion of
the time. If an airline schedules only 45 minutes between a flight
arriving and the same aircraft taking off again that leaves less time
to make up for any delays than if you allow a couple of hours between
flights.
Quote: As for the excellent value, they are now only a bit cheaper than
Malaysian Airlines.
That's only because Malaysian Airlines,along with many other carriers,
have cut their fares recently to try to get passengers flying again
during the economic recession. The problems those full-service
carriers have now is those lower fares are not sustainable in the long
term with the business models they have. They will eventually have to
raise their fares again or they'll go bankrupt.
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| Alfred Molon |
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:32 pm |
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In article <ouk665deipcpf50ph2cb5vsjaaa9licdbm@4ax.com>, Chris Blunt
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Quote: Delays can happen for all kinds of reasons. Weather, congestion at
airports, aircraft technical problems etc. All airlines are affected
by those factors and always have been. Low-cost airlines like Air Asia
are affected most of all because they have tighter turnaround times at
airports to keep their aircraft in the air for a higher proportion of
the time. If an airline schedules only 45 minutes between a flight
arriving and the same aircraft taking off again that leaves less time
to make up for any delays than if you allow a couple of hours between
flights.
Well, just consider the following. Most European flights by full-service
airlines are delayed, while out of the 8 Airasia flights I took in June
7 were on time or early and just one delayed.
Besides, Airasia starts the checkin procedure around 40 minutes before
the departure, so the planes must have more than just 45 minutes between
flights at the airports.
Quote: That's only because Malaysian Airlines,along with many other carriers,
have cut their fares recently to try to get passengers flying again
during the economic recession. The problems those full-service
carriers have now is those lower fares are not sustainable in the long
term with the business models they have. They will eventually have to
raise their fares again or they'll go bankrupt.
You are making some speculations here without having sufficient
information. Malaysian is undertaking measures to cut costs, for
instance by selling more through the web (lower selling costs) and by
reducing salaries. I know this because I read an article in a local
Malaysian newspaper talking about salary reductions at MAS.
By the way, nowadays Airasia is "full service". They are even better
than MAS, because they offer more flights. The only advantage of MAS is
that they use the better terminal (KLIA vs LCCT for Airasia).
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| Chris Blunt |
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:05 pm |
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:32:27 +0200, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <ouk665deipcpf50ph2cb5vsjaaa9licdbm@4ax.com>, Chris Blunt
says...
Delays can happen for all kinds of reasons. Weather, congestion at
airports, aircraft technical problems etc. All airlines are affected
by those factors and always have been. Low-cost airlines like Air Asia
are affected most of all because they have tighter turnaround times at
airports to keep their aircraft in the air for a higher proportion of
the time. If an airline schedules only 45 minutes between a flight
arriving and the same aircraft taking off again that leaves less time
to make up for any delays than if you allow a couple of hours between
flights.
Well, just consider the following. Most European flights by full-service
airlines are delayed, while out of the 8 Airasia flights I took in June
7 were on time or early and just one delayed.
We're not comparing like with like here. European air space is
generally quite overcrowded, and that results in delays to all
airlines flying in that region. For a better comparison, look at the
on-time performance ratings of budget airlines such as Air Asia and
Tiger Airways, and then compare them to airlines like Cathay Pacific
or Singapore Airlines. The full-service carriers always beat the
low-cost airlines, but there's a price to be paid for that with higher
fares.
Quote: Besides, Airasia starts the checkin procedure around 40 minutes before
the departure, so the planes must have more than just 45 minutes between
flights at the airports.
Why is that? An airline can start checking-in passengers long before
the arrival of the incoming aircraft. Many times I've checked in and
got to the departure gate only to find the aircraft has not yet
arrived. Just look at the schedules of the different airlines and
you'll see that the budget airlines always have tighter turnaround
times at airports.
Quote: That's only because Malaysian Airlines,along with many other carriers,
have cut their fares recently to try to get passengers flying again
during the economic recession. The problems those full-service
carriers have now is those lower fares are not sustainable in the long
term with the business models they have. They will eventually have to
raise their fares again or they'll go bankrupt.
You are making some speculations here without having sufficient
information. Malaysian is undertaking measures to cut costs, for
instance by selling more through the web (lower selling costs) and by
reducing salaries. I know this because I read an article in a local
Malaysian newspaper talking about salary reductions at MAS.
By the way, nowadays Airasia is "full service". They are even better
than MAS, because they offer more flights. The only advantage of MAS is
that they use the better terminal (KLIA vs LCCT for Airasia).
Maybe you're misunderstanding the terminology here. A "full-service"
airline normally means one of the more traditionally established
airlines that offer the full range of services such as meals and
drinks included in the fare, better in-flight service, more flexible
booking conditions, more generous baggage allowances etc. These
airlines are quite different to the low-cost carriers that cut costs
to the bone and offer a basic "just get you there" service. I'm not
trying to say that one is better than the other, but obviously only an
airline that has cut out a lot of the frills and reduced its overheads
can consistently offer lower fares and still survive. If that's what
MAS is now doing then fine.
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| Alfred Molon |
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:01 pm |
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In article <i9j8651gs6bahel969qus3pj54b8chg5rb@4ax.com>, Chris Blunt
says...
Quote: The full-service carriers always beat the
low-cost airlines, but there's a price to be paid for that with higher
fares.
That's a bold statement. Do you have any data to back it up? As
explained, this June out of the 8 AirAsia flights I took 7 were on time
or early, just one was delayed.
Quote: Why is that? An airline can start checking-in passengers long before
the arrival of the incoming aircraft. Many times I've checked in and
got to the departure gate only to find the aircraft has not yet
arrived. Just look at the schedules of the different airlines and
you'll see that the budget airlines always have tighter turnaround
times at airports.
I meant AirAsia starts boarding the plane 40-45 minutes before
departure. Aircraft being physically there.
Quote: Maybe you're misunderstanding the terminology here. A "full-service"
airline normally means one of the more traditionally established
airlines that offer the full range of services such as meals and
drinks included in the fare,
You can buy meals and drinks for small amounts on any AirAsia flights.
Quote: better in-flight service,
I didn't notice much of a difference between AirAsia and MAS.
Quote: more flexible
booking conditions,
No difference anymore here. Actually AirAsia has the better booking
conditions now, because they offer more flights. You can even book a few
hours before departure, but have to go to the AirAsia counter at the
airport.
Quote: more generous baggage allowances etc.
Yes, you have to pay for the extra baggage with AirAsia. This is why I
wrote that if you include all costs (i.e. also the baggage allowance)
AirAsia is perhaps only 10%-20% cheaper than MAS.
Quote: These
airlines are quite different to the low-cost carriers that cut costs
to the bone and offer a basic "just get you there" service.
AirAsia is actually now starting to look more like a full-service
airline.
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| Markku Grönroos |
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:01 pm |
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"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> kirjoitti
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Quote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:32:27 +0200, Alfred Molon
Maybe you're misunderstanding the terminology here. A "full-service"
airline normally means one of the more traditionally established
airlines that offer the full range of services such as meals and
drinks included in the fare, better in-flight service, more flexible
booking conditions, more generous baggage allowances etc. These
Naturally it is quite different a task to provide a connection along any
route between any two points commercial airlines ply. It makes things much
more complex and definitely more expensive. Point to point airlines merely
provide connection between any two points the company itself operates
non-stop flights. The scheme is so different that there is little point
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| Chris Blunt |
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:13 am |
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:14:53 +0200, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <i9j8651gs6bahel969qus3pj54b8chg5rb@4ax.com>, Chris Blunt
says...
The full-service carriers always beat the
low-cost airlines, but there's a price to be paid for that with higher
fares.
That's a bold statement. Do you have any data to back it up? As
explained, this June out of the 8 AirAsia flights I took 7 were on time
or early, just one was delayed.
Air Asia's on-time performance rating for June 2009 was 79%. Its there
on the front page of their web site. That means that less than 8 out
of 10 of their flights were on time.
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| Sharkbait |
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:49 am |
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Chris Blunt wrote in message
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Air Asia's on-time performance rating for June 2009 was 79%. Its there
on the front page of their web site. That means that less than 8 out
of 10 of their flights were on time.
That compares with all reporting US airlines for the period of April 2009 to
May 2009 with on time arrival rate of 79.82% at
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/OT_Delay/OT_DelayCause1.asp?pn=1. Pretty much
the I'd say.
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:57 am |
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Meant to say; "Pretty much the same I'd say."
rg
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Quote: Chris Blunt wrote in message
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Air Asia's on-time performance rating for June 2009 was 79%. Its there
on the front page of their web site. That means that less than 8 out
of 10 of their flights were on time.
That compares with all reporting US airlines for the period of April 2009
to May 2009 with on time arrival rate of 79.82% at
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/OT_Delay/OT_DelayCause1.asp?pn=1. Pretty much
the I'd say.
rg
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| Chris Blunt |
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:23 pm |
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:57:04 GMT, "Sharkbait"
<sharkbait999@verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: Meant to say; "Pretty much the same I'd say."
rg
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Chris Blunt wrote in message
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Air Asia's on-time performance rating for June 2009 was 79%. Its there
on the front page of their web site. That means that less than 8 out
of 10 of their flights were on time.
That compares with all reporting US airlines for the period of April 2009
to May 2009 with on time arrival rate of 79.82% at
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/OT_Delay/OT_DelayCause1.asp?pn=1. Pretty much
the I'd say.
But those statistics are for US airlines which mainly operate within
North America. For Air Asia, a better comparison would be with an
Asian full-service airline flying to similar destinations. For
example, Singapore Airlines on-time performance rating for June 2009
was 90.5%.
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