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| Joseph Coulter |
 Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:31 pm |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:14:38 -0400, Rosalie B.
<gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote:
"It takes money to
Quote: make money." (which is different)
I would be very surprised if any of the decisions about cruise ships
were not carefully calculated to maximize profit. So if it doesn't
make a profit for them, they aren't going to do it. Regardless of the
CDC or any other agency. If Personal Choice dining wasn't cheaper or
more effective use of space then they wouldn't do it. If it wasn't
cheaper to buy frozen food in bulk from the US, then they wouldn't do
it. All the other stuff is just smoke and mirrors.
cheaper doesn't necessarily rule in profit if the higher cost item has
enough demand. So Personal Choice may cost more, but if it drives
enough business . . .
Joseph Coulter
Joseph Coulter Cruises and Vacations
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| Rosalie B. |
| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:03 pm |
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Joseph Coulter <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:14:38 -0400, Rosalie B.
gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote:
"It takes money to
make money." (which is different)
I would be very surprised if any of the decisions about cruise ships
were not carefully calculated to maximize profit. So if it doesn't
make a profit for them, they aren't going to do it. Regardless of the
CDC or any other agency. If Personal Choice dining wasn't cheaper or
more effective use of space then they wouldn't do it. If it wasn't
cheaper to buy frozen food in bulk from the US, then they wouldn't do
it. All the other stuff is just smoke and mirrors.
cheaper doesn't necessarily rule in profit if the higher cost item has
enough demand. So Personal Choice may cost more, but if it drives
enough business . . .
Joseph Coulter
Joseph Coulter Cruises and Vacations
www.josephcoulter.com
More business makes them more money - they can charge higher prices
for their rooms. So it's just another aspect of maximizing profit and
minimizing expense.
The bottom line is the bottom line. |
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| BikeRider50 |
| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:06 pm |
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Tom K wrote:
Quote: "peter" <peters25@stockton.com> wrote in message
news:C68B6685.5AFA8%peters25@stockton.com...
The subject was whether CDC rules require flying in frozen food from the
US
when sailing in Europe, a ridiculous idea, that you apparently sincerely
believe. No such rule exists. That the ship may be inspected if and when
it
is in a U.S. port, based on the rule I quoted myself, is irrelevant. Try
to
think straight.
You are inventing things as you go along. You are taking sentences and
twisting them around to suit our own purposes. And the subject wasn't CDC
rules, it was simply about the discussion that occurred on board about a
number of topics.
The person we listened to is a subject matter expert. He runs the
department on a $500 million dollar ship. You've provided no information to
indicate that you are more of a subject matter expert. You said you are a
travel agent who books cruises for yourself and your wife. I don't see how
that makes you a subject matter expert. If you choose not to believe him,
fine. I have no need or desire to prove anything to you. And quite
frankly, I don't care if you believe him or not.
I was relaying information provided as a service to this newsgroup. No
proof was requested by the group on board the ship. It was a question and
answer session. Nothing more than that. You're making it out to be more
than it was.
End of discussion.
If you think that the hotel manager has anything to do with the ordering
of or supplying of provisions on the ship he works on you're crazy. Do
you seriously think they let someone on the ship decide who they're
going to get supplies from? Or that the hotel manager on one ship can
get stuff that another ship can't? The guy onboard may get to pick
numbers from a list, but that's as far as that goes. All purchasing is
done at the corporate level.
How does it feel when the hotel manager blows smoke up your ass and you
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| Tom K |
| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:16 pm |
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"Joseph Coulter" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:n62c659k1p5cn73c4ocbtbqmtv59md9qg0@4ax.com...
Quote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:14:38 -0400, Rosalie B.
gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote:
"It takes money to
make money." (which is different)
I would be very surprised if any of the decisions about cruise ships
were not carefully calculated to maximize profit. So if it doesn't
make a profit for them, they aren't going to do it. Regardless of the
CDC or any other agency. If Personal Choice dining wasn't cheaper or
more effective use of space then they wouldn't do it. If it wasn't
cheaper to buy frozen food in bulk from the US, then they wouldn't do
it. All the other stuff is just smoke and mirrors.
cheaper doesn't necessarily rule in profit if the higher cost item has
enough demand. So Personal Choice may cost more, but if it drives
enough business . . .
Joseph Coulter
Thanks for helping explain it, I had trouble getting thru... (whew)...
--Tom |
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| Kenn Smith |
| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:02 am |
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Not all that germaine to this discussion but it reminded me of
something.
I taught college and ABE classes on a couple on Navy ships in the Med
then rode them back to their home port in Norfolk. Just outside of
continental US waters every scrap of food bought from local provisioners
in Rota or elsewhere went over the side, just enough remained to prepare
meals for the crew until we tied up. That, I believe, is a USDA
requirement. Also, our Marines who had been doing amphibious training
had to offload all of their vehicles in Rota and steam clean them of
every scrap of foreign soil. With tracked vehicles that's a bitch of a
job. Every vehicle was inspected by a USDA inspector before it was
hoisted back aboard ship. Some of them went through the steam cleaning
process two or three times before they were cleared for loading. |
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| Charles |
| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:18 am |
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In article <3tab65dohmoftdqkp3dno9f00r689e1glm@4ax.com>, Rosalie B.
<gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote:
Quote: Sounds like spin to me - were there complaints about the public spaces
on Crown Princess or something implicit in the question that he was
answering? Why did he need to address that question?
It was not spin. None asked a question about the amount of public
space. Someone asked if Princess would be ordering a new class of ships
in the future different than Crown Princess. He replied it was being
discussed to order a couple of new ships like Crown Princess that would
be slightly wider and double the Piazza space to add more public space.
He volunteered it was recognized that extra public space would be
beneficial because of the additional passengers on Crown/Emerald/Ruby
over Grand Class.
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Charles |
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| Charles |
| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:21 am |
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In article <C68B8EB7.5AFE6%peters25@stockton.com>, peter
<peters25@stockton.com> wrote:
Quote: And having badmouthed their staff, you're probably not very welcome.
At first I though you were an ass. Now I get it. You are a troll.
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Charles |
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| Sue Mullen |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:05 am |
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Charles wrote:
Quote: In article <0pKdnfmjkaa99PjXnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Brian K
brian1951BLOG@earthlink.net> wrote:
Is it possible that some of this may be spin in favor of their line over
HAL? Spin is telling the truth but omitting some key facts, to put the
home team in a better light then the competition in these kinds of
questions.
He just came over to Crown Princess from working on HAL ships. Also HAL
and Princess are both owned by Carnival.
Very interesting because he was on the Emerald Princess in 1/08. Guess
he found a good oportunity on HAL and then Princess worked to get him back.
sue |
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| Sue Mullen |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:20 am |
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Tom K wrote:
Quote: --Regarding Norovirus, he said that the CDC instructed them to stop
using
the gels. People consider that an alternative to washing their hands. They
now make it a point to leave public rest room doors open, to minimize people
using the door handles. Since they've stopped using gels (they're using up
the last of the supplies voluntarily) and leaving doors open, the virus has
significantly declined.
Very interesting and confirms what he told us in 1/08 on the Emerald
Princess. Back then he told us that having worked for the CDC
previously, "he" felt the gels were not as good as washing with soap and
water.
Thanks for more of a great review!!
sue |
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| Charles |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:33 am |
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In article <7d429cF29tijfU1@mid.individual.net>, Sue Mullen
<kjmullen@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Very interesting because he was on the Emerald Princess in 1/08. Guess
he found a good oportunity on HAL and then Princess worked to get him back.
He mentioned he was at HAL before Princess. I think I probably
compressed the time frame. It probably was not as recent a move as I
thought.
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| Sue Mullen |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:34 am |
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Charles wrote:
Quote: In article <7d429cF29tijfU1@mid.individual.net>, Sue Mullen
kjmullen@comcast.net> wrote:
Very interesting because he was on the Emerald Princess in 1/08. Guess
he found a good oportunity on HAL and then Princess worked to get him back.
He mentioned he was at HAL before Princess. I think I probably
compressed the time frame. It probably was not as recent a move as I
thought.
This sounds more reasonable, that he was on HAL in the past.
sue |
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