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| Martin |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:30:51 +0300, "Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi>
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"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> kirjoitti
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, "bartc" <bartc@freeuk.com> wrote:
I've never been to Greece, being put off by the language (which always
reminds me of a maths textbook). How good are they at understanding
English?
Much better than I was at understanding Greek. Actually, that could
be said about the home language of every country I've visited.
A couple of years ago BBC published a briefing of a study which concluded
that too often a Brit spends several years taking classes on some foreign
language and learning very little. Typically a few dozen words. Such an
active vocabulary carries nowhere.
Language teaching is poor in UK. There is an over emphasis on grammar and
translating from the foreign language into English and not enough on
conversation and translating English into the foreign language. Language
teaching used to have the same weaknesses in France 40 odd years ago.
Mixi has sorted out that nonsense.
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| Markku Grönroos |
| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:01 pm |
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"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> kirjoitti
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Quote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, "bartc" <bartc@freeuk.com> wrote:
I've never been to Greece, being put off by the language (which always
reminds me of a maths textbook). How good are they at understanding
English?
Much better than I was at understanding Greek. Actually, that could
be said about the home language of every country I've visited.
A couple of years ago BBC published a briefing of a study which concluded
that too often a Brit spends several years taking classes on some foreign
language and learning very little. Typically a few dozen words. Such an
active vocabulary carries nowhere. |
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| Just zis Twat, you know? |
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On Jul 26, 7:30 pm, "Markku Grönroos" <kur...@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:
Quote: "Alan S" <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:drlo65ljtl2mcvsos384s8899jgelm5...@4ax.com...> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, "bartc" <ba...@freeuk.com> wrote:
I've never been to Greece, being put off by the language (which always
reminds me of a maths textbook). How good are they at understanding
English?
Much better than I was at understanding Greek. Actually, that could
be said about the home language of every country I've visited.
A couple of years ago BBC published a briefing of a study which concluded
that too often a Brit spends several years taking classes on some foreign
language and learning very little. Typically a few dozen words. Such an
active vocabulary carries nowhere.
and what about Australians ? |
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| Jesper Lauridsen |
| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:15 pm |
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On 2009-07-25, tim..... <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: The guy
looks me up and down like he's trying to assess "what I will pay" and says
70 Euro. I ask if that's with breakfast and he says yes, so I take it.
It's the most expensive hotel of my trip but only by a few Euro, but it's
the best hotel by a mile. Inside the room I note that the rack rate is 170,
plus 25 for breakfast so you really can get a good deal outside of the main
season.
Rack rates are always absurd. I've stayed in many hotel rooms where I'm
certain no one has ever paid the rack rate ("if I had 375 euro to spend on
a hotel room, I would be in a 5* in the centre, and not here on the
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| Jesper Lauridsen |
| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:15 pm |
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On 2009-07-26, tim..... <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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"bartc" <bartc@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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(which always reminds me of a maths textbook). How good are they at
understanding English?
You just shout loudly and point 
and add an 'O' to the end of every word. |
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| Poetic Justice |
| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:56 pm |
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tim..... wrote;
Quote: They are also "reconstructing" them in
bright new marble. I haven't really got tot
this point yet, but I didn't think it improved
the sites
From your earlier post I assume you mean Epidaurus?
I was last there in 2000 and what I saw was pre-reconstruction.
But I saw what I'm certain was their process for making those "bright
new marble" blocks?
They were taking the remains of original blocks which were say ±50%
of their original size and putting a cement-like filler on them to
restore them to their past size, shape and color.
As a history & ruins buff I was horrified at this process.
Ancient sites should be left as-is and any added construction should
only be for safety and/or preservation.
The Italians did alot of modern reconstruction in the 19C & 20C but I
believe their policy for many decades now is to leave it as-is?
I'm just surprised the Greek archaeologists allowed this to go on in
the 21C!
Regards, Walter
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| Magda |
| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:46 pm |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT), in rec.travel.europe, Fiebre Del Sabado Noche
<michaelnewport@yahoo.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Jul 25, 9:09 pm, Magda <Non...@gmail.com> wrote:
... > On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:48:43 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "tim....."
... > <tims_new_h...@yahoo.co.uk> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
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... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... I didn't arrive until 10:00
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... > ... > Not what I call "early"! 
... > ...
... > ... It is when it's your first day and your body clock is two hours behind
... > ...
... > ... tim
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... > When I board the plane the first thing I do is correct my watch to the time of the country
... > I'm going to. When I get there, my mind is already used to it. The body follows, it always
... > does...
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... > =====
... > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.
...
... did you read any 'Patrick Lee Fermor', he is also a Grecophile
No.
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| Magda |
| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:47 pm |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "bartc" <bartc@freeuk.com>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
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... "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
... news:7d2m0oF29temeU1@mid.individual.net...
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... > "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
... > news:gaqm65pctbq2db7oetnv5hr9amf15pkqk0@4ax.com...
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... >> I can't understand why he went to Greece.
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... > To see the ancient ruins.
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... > How can I have known before I went that they weren't as spectacular as I
... > imagined 
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... > I suppose the problem is that I have previously seen many Greco-Roman
... > ruins in Italy, Spain and N Africa many of which are far more complete
... > than most in Greece. But I don't know that.
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... There's quite a nice temple in Paestum, Italy. Saved me a trip to Athens (I
... take it these things all look pretty much the same.)
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... I've never been to Greece, being put off by the language (which always
... reminds me of a maths textbook). How good are they at understanding English?
Stay home.
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| Magda |
| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:49 pm |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:45:12 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <me@address.invalid>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, "bartc" <bartc@freeuk.com> wrote:
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... >"tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
... >news:7d2m0oF29temeU1@mid.individual.net...
... >>
... >> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
... >> news:gaqm65pctbq2db7oetnv5hr9amf15pkqk0@4ax.com...
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... >>> I can't understand why he went to Greece.
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... >> To see the ancient ruins.
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... You seem to have missed things we visited along the route you took.
... Which guide book did you use?
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... >> How can I have known before I went that they weren't as spectacular as I
... >> imagined
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... By looking at photos in guide books and on Internet?
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... They were exactly as I imagined them.
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... >>
... >> I suppose the problem is that I have previously seen many Greco-Roman
... >> ruins in Italy, Spain and N Africa many of which are far more complete
... >> than most in Greece. But I don't know that.
...
... The ancient sites in Turkey are more complete and the food and hotels are better
... and cheaper.
You beat me to it. If he does not like Ephesus, I'll throw him in the Styx.
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| bartc |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:03 am |
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"Magda" <Nonono@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "bartc"
bartc@freeuk.com
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... I've never been to Greece, being put off by the language (which always
... reminds me of a maths textbook). How good are they at understanding
English?
Stay home.
Unless the first or second language in the destination is one of English,
French, Spanish, or Italian, that's exactly what I do, apart from a few
forays into Portuguese- and German-speaking regions.
(Italian is simplest for me after English, it's just a shame they didn't
invade a few more countries as it's not much use outside of Italy.)
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| Martin |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:55 am |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:49:33 +0200, Magda <Nonono@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:45:12 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <me@address.invalid
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, "bartc" <bartc@freeuk.com> wrote:
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... >"tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
... >news:7d2m0oF29temeU1@mid.individual.net...
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... >> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
... >> news:gaqm65pctbq2db7oetnv5hr9amf15pkqk0@4ax.com...
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... >>> I can't understand why he went to Greece.
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... >> To see the ancient ruins.
...
... You seem to have missed things we visited along the route you took.
... Which guide book did you use?
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... >> How can I have known before I went that they weren't as spectacular as I
... >> imagined
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... By looking at photos in guide books and on Internet?
...
... They were exactly as I imagined them.
...
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... >> I suppose the problem is that I have previously seen many Greco-Roman
... >> ruins in Italy, Spain and N Africa many of which are far more complete
... >> than most in Greece. But I don't know that.
...
... The ancient sites in Turkey are more complete and the food and hotels are better
... and cheaper.
You beat me to it. If he does not like Ephesus, I'll throw him in the Styx.
I'd pay the ferry man to do it.
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| tim..... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:04 am |
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"Poetic Justice" <paradiselost@webtv.net> wrote in message
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tim..... wrote;
Quote: They are also "reconstructing" them in
bright new marble. I haven't really got tot
this point yet, but I didn't think it improved
the sites
From your earlier post I assume you mean Epidaurus?
And elsewhere
Quote: I was last there in 2000 and what I saw was pre-reconstruction.
But I saw what I'm certain was their process for making those "bright
new marble" blocks?
They were taking the remains of original blocks which were say ±50%
of their original size and putting a cement-like filler on them to
restore them to their past size, shape and color.
What I saw was a complete reconstruction of say a row of columns. They took
a few bits of the original stone which represented about 10% of the total,
cut completely new blocks of marble, and fitted the bit that they had into
it.
Quote: As a history & ruins buff I was horrified at this process.
Ancient sites should be left as-is and any added construction should
only be for safety and/or preservation.
The Italians did alot of modern reconstruction in the 19C & 20C but I
believe their policy for many decades now is to leave it as-is?
I'm just surprised the Greek archaeologists allowed this to go on in
the 21C!
So am I, and what is more surprising this work is being funded by the EU, so
they must think that it's the right thing to do as well
tim |
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| Alan S |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:04 am |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT), "Just zis Twat, you know?"
<michaelnewport@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 26, 7:30 pm, "Markku Grönroos" <kur...@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:
"Alan S" <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:drlo65ljtl2mcvsos384s8899jgelm5...@4ax.com...> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, "bartc" <ba...@freeuk.com> wrote:
I've never been to Greece, being put off by the language (which always
reminds me of a maths textbook). How good are they at understanding
English?
Much better than I was at understanding Greek. Actually, that could
be said about the home language of every country I've visited.
A couple of years ago BBC published a briefing of a study which concluded
that too often a Brit spends several years taking classes on some foreign
language and learning very little. Typically a few dozen words. Such an
active vocabulary carries nowhere.
and what about Australians ?
We have enough trouble understanding the English...
Cheers, Alan, Australia.
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| tim..... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:06 am |
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"Magda" <Nonono@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:45:12 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin
me@address.invalid
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, "bartc" <bartc@freeuk.com> wrote:
...
...
... >"tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
... >news:7d2m0oF29temeU1@mid.individual.net...
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... >> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
... >> news:gaqm65pctbq2db7oetnv5hr9amf15pkqk0@4ax.com...
...
... >>> I can't understand why he went to Greece.
...
... >> To see the ancient ruins.
...
... You seem to have missed things we visited along the route you took.
... Which guide book did you use?
...
...
... >> How can I have known before I went that they weren't as spectacular
as I
... >> imagined
...
... By looking at photos in guide books and on Internet?
...
... They were exactly as I imagined them.
...
...
... >> I suppose the problem is that I have previously seen many
Greco-Roman
... >> ruins in Italy, Spain and N Africa many of which are far more
complete
... >> than most in Greece. But I don't know that.
...
... The ancient sites in Turkey are more complete and the food and hotels
are better
... and cheaper.
You beat me to it. If he does not like Ephesus, I'll throw him in the
Styx.
I didn't say that I didn't like it.
I said that it was disappointing. I had expected a site of its reputation
to be significantly more complete than it was
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| tim..... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:37 am |
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Day 12) Where was I, oh yes, Farangi Vikou. For this morning's comment I
have written down that the hotel watered down the orange juice. Why do they
do this in a country where they grow the dammed things (I think I have asked
this before on this group?)
More of these slow mountain roads. I actually like this sort of driving,
but it does take a lot of time to get anywhere. First stop Kastoria, though
it's mid afternoon by the time that I get there. There is supposed to be 50
Byzantine churches here and you get information about them at the museum.
However, the museum's closed for reconstruction and I have to find them on
my own. I find 4 or 5 but they are all locked, with no indication as to how
you get the key. I take the recommended drive around the peninsular to the
Panagia Monastery, which is open and stunning.
I have a real problem now. I like to find somewhere to stay by about 17:00
each day, it's a bit early to stay here but I don't know that I can make it
to the next touristy town. I see from the guide book that the Prespa lake
is of interest so I take the detour there in the hope of finding somewhere
to stay. This is another big disappointment, the village on the edge of the
lakes is the most uninteresting (lakeside) place that I have ever been to,
it's horrid, I'm not staying here even if I can find something.
Return to the main road and press on to Florina. Fortunately, as I drive
into town I pass the King Alexandra Hotel (very Macedonian!) and I get a
room at a good price. Though this isn't a tourist town and I can remember
that I had difficulty finding a restaurant (the hotel has one but I prefer
not to use them). I haven't written down what I did, but I think I ended up
in a simple cafe.
Day 13) Drive west to Edessa to visit the Waterfall park. This is good
(except for the man who keeps pestering me to have my photo taken). Then
onto the Macedonian tombs at Vergina. This is interesting, but (relatively)
expensive, and you're not allowed to take photos, even of the outside of the
tombs! Then onto the ruins at Dio, an OK site. I now have the same problem
as yesterday. I have noticed that many of the villages by ancient ruins
have a good selection of hotels, but not here so I have to drive back to the
industrial town of Katerini. I drive around for ages and eventually find a
hotel down a narrow (one way) street in the town centre. It's hard to park,
bound to be noisy and relatively expensive, but it's this or sleep in the
car! At least I have a good choice of restaurants in the town centre.
Day 14) I wake up to fog!. First stop Pela, but despite directions in my
guide book and a map, I drive around for ages trying to find it, and when I
do, it's closed for no obvious reason! A long drive along the motorway to
Amfpolis, which is good but insubstantial. Finally the ruins at Pilipi.
This is free entry today because it's the first Sunday of the month, it's
another site with too much new reconstruction. Drive into the town of
Kavala where I find a hotel overlooking the harbour and walk up the hill to
the castle. Nice castle, and great views. I notice that wherever I go I'm
being followed by the local cats. I wonder if it's because I'm carrying a
supermarket bag (with a bottle of water), perhaps this is what the "bag
ladies" that feed them do and they associate plastic supermarket bags with
feeding time?
Day 15 Drive into Thessaloniki to visit the museums in the town centre. I
drive around for more than an hour looking for a space, fail to find one and
give up. This place really needs a metro (fortunately one is arriving
soon). Not sure what to do for a hotel today so I decide to drive out to
the airport to suss out where I have to return my car. Fortunately, whilst
doing this, I see a sign on the motorway directing me to the wonderfully
named Hotel Heaven, so I follow that. I'm expecting it to be expensive, but
it's not, probably because it's in the middle of nowhere. Useless for
walking to anywhere but great for driving to the airport.
I drive to visit the cave at Petralona. This is good, but (again) you're
not allowed to take photos, except in the museum They have hourly tours and
I have to wait (in the museum) 45 minutes for the next one. When the time
does arrive, I'm still the only person waiting so I get an individual tour.
Then off to the ruins at Olinthos. According to the sign, these should be
closed today (Monday), but they are not! I ask the man why and he just
shrugs! There's a long walk from the entrance up to the ruined town, but
it's worth it. There isn't very much of the structure here but there are
the remains of hundreds of houses, many with wonderful mosaic floors.
Stupidly, I left my watch in the car so I don't know what time it is. On my
way down I meet the man coming to look for me, obviously I have overstayed,
but only by a few minutes. As I leave, he locks the gate, gets on his bike
and cycles into the local village. Presumably he has nothing else to do so
he just comes and opens up in case anybody does turn up to visit, perhaps he
is paid per visitor? (yes he did give me an official ticket)
Back at the hotel I drive around for ages looking for a town with a
restaurant. Eventually I find a small village with a kebab take-away with a
couple of tables so I eat there. I get a great big plateful of food for
about 5 Euro!
Day 16) I give Thessalonica another try and this time I eventually find a
parking space. I walk around the town centre for three hours visiting the
sights. There's the white tower on the waterfront, three interesting
churches (one of which was closed for reconstruction), the main square and
market place which has some very interesting things for sale, a mosque and
old bathhouse (which today housed a photographic exhibition) and the Rotonda
(also very interesting). I decide to give the archaeological museum a miss.
I have dinner again in the kebab shop.
Day 17 The check in for my flight is at 11:00, so just before I leave, I
drive to the end of the bay to the village of Angelochori which is shown on
my map as having a beach. Well it's horrid. Given how nice the coast is
in other parts of Greece, nobody would come here to sit on the beach!
Final round up
I remember visiting a couple of Macedonian tombs which were just by the road
side, but they aren't in my notes (and I can't find them on the map), so I
can't remember where they are, though obviously they are somewhere in the
last 5 days. I also visited somewhere where there was an almost complete
mosaic floor which was in a terrible state because of thousand of years of
earthquakes, it looked like a ploughed field. For me, this is something
that they could have restored without compromising the historic value of the
item, but it's just left as it is because of it's importance!
Other things. October is a crap month for taking photos. The sun is still
bright, but in that month it is very low in the sky. So I have lots of awful
photos taken with the sun in the wrong place. The Greek driving isn't much
fun either. The signs with the numbers on might as well not be there. 90
seems to be the normal speed limit on single carriageway roads, but 120 is
the minimum that most Greeks drive at, even through the villages where they
are supposed to slow down to 50. Drive at anything close to the speed limit
and all the time you will have someone on your tail trying to pass!
Other than that they are very laid back, and not once did anyone try and rip
me off. Can say the say for some other countries in the region
That's all
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| poldy |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:26 am |
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In article <7d2m0oF29temeU1@mid.individual.net>,
"tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: I suppose the problem is that I have previously seen many Greco-Roman ruins
in Italy, Spain and N Africa many of which are far more complete than most
in Greece. But I don't know that.
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In article <7d33etF29tsffU1@mid.individual.net>,
"tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Reading the road signs is the hard part. However it's easier than Cyrillic
which sometimes I find imposible!
No English signs? |
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| Magda |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:24 am |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:06:18 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "tim....."
<tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
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... > You beat me to it. If he does not like Ephesus, I'll throw him in the
... > Styx.
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... I didn't say that I didn't like it.
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... I said that it was disappointing. I had expected a site of its reputation
... to be significantly more complete than it was
Ok, I'll rephrase it - If you are disappointed with Ephesus, I'll throw you in the Styx.
Just because things have reputations that cover millennia, it does not mean that they are
"big", let alone "complete". Bits and pieces are scattered in museums all over the world.
If you noticed half a dozen pieces missing at Olympia, for instance, it's because they are
in the Louvre. Look for others in Berlin, and everywhere else.
(I was disappointed with Notre Dame the first time I saw it, I thought it was very small.
Now, years later, I find it huge...)
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| Magda |
| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:27 am |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:03:22 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "bartc" <bartc@freeuk.com>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... "Magda" <Nonono@gmail.com> wrote in message
... news:9mcp65he6uq6l6dq1rdvvdot49hcgeiao7@4ax.com...
... > On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:33:23 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "bartc"
... > <bartc@freeuk.com>
... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
...
... > ... I've never been to Greece, being put off by the language (which always
... > ... reminds me of a maths textbook). How good are they at understanding
... > English?
... >
... > Stay home.
...
... Unless the first or second language in the destination is one of English,
... French, Spanish, or Italian, that's exactly what I do, apart from a few
... forays into Portuguese- and German-speaking regions.
...
... (Italian is simplest for me after English, it's just a shame they didn't
... invade a few more countries as it's not much use outside of Italy.)
I just can't believe the barriers some people will put up, just for the "fun" of it.
=====
It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. |
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poldy wrote on Jul 27, 2009:
Quote: In article <7d33etF29tsffU1@mid.individual.net>,
"tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Reading the road signs is the hard part. However it's easier than Cyrillic
which sometimes I find imposible!
No English signs?
Nearly all road signs are written both using the Greek alphabet and
trasliterated into Latin characters. Signs in English are found at airports
and other tourist hotspots.
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